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Post by rockbass09 on Jan 18, 2017 21:18:38 GMT -6
Hey guys, Been researching a lot on pike flies lately as I'd love to give pike a go when May rolls around. For all those that have tried pike on the fly here in manitoba, any preferred patterns? White bass patterns and small pike patterns seem like the best options around here for spring. Which brings me to materials. I've been to the fishin hole a few times and bought this rabbit fur, looked like some good material. Went to tie a few small minnow patterns with the stuff and realized that the "fur" is only an inch or so long. And it ties horribly. Very fine and makes a bad mess. After about an hour of effing around managed to make a half decent fly which somewhat resembles a bait fish. Surprisingly it flows nicely in the water but it's not what I had in mind. What I'd like to know is what is the best material for tying large streamers and maybe a few poppers. They have an assortment of bucktail at the hole and guess I'll try that next. Any other places that sell fly tying materials?
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Post by deerfly on Jan 20, 2017 21:21:13 GMT -6
If you're going to fish pike, forget small!!! Even a hammer handle can get its maw around a large fly. I would suggest nothing smaller than a 3/0 hook. It not only hooks them well but is also much easier to remove. I have some favorite patterns. A "Bunny Bug" black, red or chartreuse preferably. Magnum rabbit strip for tail, cross cut rabbit wound around the hook for the body and a head coated with epoxy. These things can take a real beating and are a simple tye. Something that floats, I tye a "Weed Sneak" in red or black. I use a long shank 5/o hook just to get lots of clearance from the body. Tail is a rabbit strip, not magnum as they soak up a lot of water and will make the fly sink. Some rubber legs if you like but not necessary. Then simply take a double layer of craft foam cut in a strip maybe 3/4 inch wide, fold it in half, force it over the hook eye, hold it down and tye it off so you make a head. I also coat these with epoxy. I also tye on a weed guard for this pattern. With these two patterns, you can probably coax a pike into attacking.
Pike will attack almost anything but they will also completely ruin a fly that is not tyed well and doesn't have a head coated with epoxy. I use 30 minute devcon. Not certain if you can get it here in Manitoba, I purchase mine in the US at Ace hardware stores.
Good luck, pike are a blast on a fly rod.
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Post by flyfisheranonymous on Jan 22, 2017 20:36:28 GMT -6
Go into the fly tying instruction and look for the sbs of the Zacattack. Killer on Pike.
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Post by rockbass09 on Jan 23, 2017 13:05:22 GMT -6
Thanks for the great replies guys but still wondering on the materials. I could order some supplies from bass pro along with hooks cause they don't seem to have large hooks here either!
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Post by sedgehammer on Jan 25, 2017 16:35:58 GMT -6
If you cruise the internet/youtube for musky flies they may offer you some good fly pattern recipes. Some of these flies require 30 minutes to tie - depending on your abilities. Lots of deer hair - bucktails, specifically. Hackles, schlappen, flash, Senyo's dubbing, several synthetic materials like Puglisi fibre, etc. Build a bulk fly to push some water.
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Post by Robert Burton on Jan 25, 2017 16:49:17 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 9:04:24 GMT -6
for pike and muskies I've had good luck with a saltwater fly called a flashtail whistler. its easy to tie and cast.
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Post by rockbass09 on Jan 31, 2017 7:51:55 GMT -6
Well after a weekend stop at the fishin hole to pick up my new reel I have to say that it looks like I'll be ordering fly materials from the states again... thanks for all the help
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 22:19:48 GMT -6
An EP style fly is my go to early season pattern when pike are still sluggish and won't chase weighted jigging style patterns that can't be worked very slowly in shallow water. This is very similar to EP material at a fraction of the cost. www.flytyersdungeon.com/Materials/synthetichair.htm
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Post by sedgehammer on Feb 8, 2017 8:10:07 GMT -6
Well after a weekend stop at the fishin hole to pick up my new reel I have to say that it looks like I'll be ordering fly materials from the states again... thanks for all the help ...typical.
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Post by nelepl on Mar 4, 2017 22:53:42 GMT -6
This is one of pattern variations I made this winter. First time using Icelandic sheep for the body. Tied on 2/o hook and fish skull mask for the head. Gonna make some more tied on a tube later. I tried them out two weeks ago and they cast pretty nice and look amazing in the water and it doesn't soak up much like rabbit strip. Got icelandic sheep in wholesale sports for dirt cheap when it was on sale.
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Post by lockport1850 on Mar 19, 2017 20:37:15 GMT -6
Take a look at this video.
It's called: Pike tube Fly tying lesson, Step by step : Bleeding gold
This is a fast tie, and you can make variations. It uses bucktail and some tinsel. You can substitute bead chain eyes, of Flymen Fish Skull for the head.
Check some of the YouTube links that will pop up on the side for additional ideas. Niklaus Bauer makes some excellent videos, and you should watch his. Trouble is though, that they are quite long... but worth it.
I would buy your fly materials from a Canadian supplier as much as possible. Usually they are small, private fly places, and we should support them.
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Post by cfused on Mar 20, 2017 7:57:00 GMT -6
There has been a lot of good info and tips passed on by members on this thread. The you tube video lockport1850 shares is a good one. This is by Daniel Holm and if you go to his site...flytying.eu...you will find a lot of pike patterns, videos, and materials lists.For materials I like a lot of synthetics like E.P.fiber as Robert noted.Another good on is big fly fiber. Materials like this plus reverse tying gives flies with big profiles but shed water quickly and are easier to cast. As for buying these materials; places like Flymart and Canadian LLama are good Canadian suppliers.
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Post by rockbass09 on Mar 20, 2017 9:45:29 GMT -6
I've binge watched a lot of Niklaus and Daniels videos and all of their flies are really well done. The only thing is that most of the supplies are hard to come by here in desolate manitoba. Lots of searching to do...and ordering. In the meantime, keep it simple. I actually have to make a few pike flies that catch fish before I consider creating some crazy creation no?
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Post by FLY TYR on Mar 21, 2017 7:43:25 GMT -6
I have found most everything I need locally. The fly in the picture uses foam (any craft store), dumbbell eyes, and Eagle Claw hooks from Cabelas (size #4, or #6. Attach a rabbit strip tail, use crosscut rabbit for the body and foam for the overbody. Colours are whatever you want, Chartreuse works really well. Fish on a floating or sinking line. The fly isn't too long to cast comfortably and I find Pike and Bass will hit them. If the fly is too long casting becomes a pain, so keep that in mind. I have caught 30"+ Pike on Nymphs... .
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Post by creekhunter on Apr 3, 2017 7:27:10 GMT -6
FLY tyer thats a Perfect Pike Bass pattern thanks for reminding me what a good pike fly is To me its fast to tye and to the point that will catch fish not bunch of other crap I bet tied in red / white
orange /white perch colors would deadly pattern
Or like u said chartuses
and most of all it floats and splashes!
Im.heading to the vice to tye abunch for my pike friends lunch!
For.bass and trout too again
awesome pike fly dude!
Solid black a d white is on my list
Again thanks for posting that
Thinking more i will try and scale a few down alil.more to target goldeye too awesome
Also i wonder if instead of lashing down at the head.of fly or.making the foam longer to.make a.lip that would splash or gurgle the water more.wpuld.work good or to hard to cast then?
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Post by FLY TYR on Apr 3, 2017 11:49:34 GMT -6
Sounds like a good idea.....leave the foam a little longer and cut it at a 45 degree angle downward so the fly pops. I have used more low key colours, like brown, for Trout.
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