Robert Burton
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Post by Robert Burton on Aug 13, 2004 9:56:06 GMT -6
6 pages on the red i thought it due for another thread Last night the water was higher than earlier posts (no island visible) but the water was clearer (less turbid) then i have seen it this year..... waded out on the shoal well north of the break wall got goldeye, sauger and a decent drum. Cats were working the shoal but not hittin my flies The epheron hatch real fired off last night a blizzard in summer.
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Post by cane on Aug 17, 2004 20:37:55 GMT -6
stopped in at the gates today on my way back from scouting /fishing somewhere else just to see how things looked- the island is starting to show and there were lots of goldeye being caught in the pools below the wall by the geared reel and big funny rod eye folks:) how can they catch fish with such little rods?
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Post by stephenjay on Aug 20, 2004 8:53:12 GMT -6
At the red last night, met up with Bob (not Rob). Water levels were up again, and the shore infront of the big boulder lost 3 feet while I was there, so water is continuing to rise.
I was skunked, but Bob landed a 90 cm channel after wading out to the middle and went deep with a lockport clouser special.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2004 9:04:25 GMT -6
High or Low?
Given the impact of winds and wind-tides from the Lake on the daily water levels at Lockport, do any of you Red River regulars have an opinion on which fishes better?
With my limited experience, I'd vote for the times when the water has backed in from the Lake and the reefs are more submerged...Tim
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Post by scaleson on Aug 20, 2004 20:05:32 GMT -6
stephen forgot to say that the cat was secured and measured with his generous help......thanks
had a great tussle after attracting the cat with the CCCC ( classic cane cat clouser) and using the cane technique.....thanks also to cane
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Post by cane on Aug 20, 2004 20:35:51 GMT -6
Congrats Bob:)))))))))))))))))))) great fish!!!!!!!! they do like to put a bend in your rod dont they, I can just picture that Bob grin as I type:)))
Tim- I would have agree on the heavier flow being more productive- but and its a big but (no gigling) my own suspicion, and i,m sure Stu would have more experienced opinion,would be that the heavier flows push the forage laterally - into the shoreline pools - and the cats follow making them more accessible. The other dynamic that may be in play at the moment- tossed out for the sake of discussion- given that the cat bite has been tougher than earlier is that the forage base has thinned and become more concentrated( this seemed to have started with the spurt of warm weather we had) so the cats are preying on a more concentrated foarage base and are therefore in more concentrated pockets.For what its worth the other day at the floodway/main river confluence in the deep channel approx 1/2 way accros the river the cats were up on the surface absolutley hammering forage on the surface- out of range of even "Big Icky" -but feeding hard nonetheless
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Post by caddisguy on Aug 20, 2004 21:08:40 GMT -6
The River is got the big whammy yesterday. The heavy wind from the north pushing the lake into the the river and 6-7 inch rain fall last week south of the boarder is probably just getting to the end of the pipe now. As things are procceding a month ahead of shedule it can't be long before the Greenbacks arrive. Could be interesting fishing the fall at Lockport. Doesn't get to much pressure once the weather cools. Should give us lots of casting room. <((((>< <((((>< Oh and one Greenback for Cane and his rod "Ikey" <((((>< ;D
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Post by stephenjay on Aug 21, 2004 13:12:49 GMT -6
Back at Lockport this morning. Took the nephews fishing. It was bait fishing, so I won't bore you with the stats.
The water was down again, to the point that the island in front of the concrete shelf was visible. I should have brought my waiters to walk out. Missed opportunity.
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Post by fishinmusican on Aug 21, 2004 18:09:56 GMT -6
Wait ago Bob!!!!!! Well it looks like were going to get more rain this week, not sure how much or if it will push up the water levels again, guess will see. Would like to hear from the more expereniced on what cane is saying but it makes sense to me esp. with lower water levels. Is the cat fishing more seasonal or is it due to the crazy weather we've been going thru. Thoughts Guys?...... KIM
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Post by caddisguy on Aug 21, 2004 19:35:13 GMT -6
Hey Stephen maybe the waiters should have been fishing with Lim's tod ;D
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Post by cane on Aug 21, 2004 20:35:11 GMT -6
i,d make some smartbass comma John ,but my grumman is,nt so god:))
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Post by stephenjay on Aug 22, 2004 7:22:54 GMT -6
oops, brainfart
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Post by caddisguy on Aug 22, 2004 8:45:19 GMT -6
Just trying to keep the hilarity level up. It's a good thing I have my own dictionary for my posts ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2004 16:01:04 GMT -6
Seasonal or day to day? From my limited experience in August, success has been a day-to-day affair, and I've had better luck when the wind tides have brought the levels back up. If the forage moves into the shallows, then it may take a little extra water to entice the cats to move in shallow as well, though I have seen them moving through the rocks in 12" of water. Tough to figure our the psyche of a critter with the brain the size of a pea!
John: Greenbacks? Can ya get em right at the dam or do ya have to go downstream? ...TIM PS Was on the Wpg river this weekend. So cold that I only saw two mooneye rises in two evenings. What a country!
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Post by flyguy on Aug 23, 2004 17:46:26 GMT -6
I ve been out three times trying to fish the epheron hatch north of lockport on the Red, fish surfacing everywhere. Each time I went out I had three or four nice strong strikes....but nothing landed, not even one. I am using imitations that are quite similar, drys and wet(both reg and parachute) cream bodies and white or pearlesent wing.
Any sugestions?
(i'm kinda hoping the cats might move back in now that the Goldeye are back) ;D
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Post by cane on Aug 23, 2004 18:35:19 GMT -6
you might want to try a dropper setup like so-- using a small 14/16 cream/light tan nymph or emerger on the point- despite the rises its usually a higher percentage approach to fish the emergers/rising nymphs in those situations.- with the dropper setup you have both bases covered- keep your eyes fixed on the dry and you'll see the slightest activity on the point fly:)
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Post by flyguy on Aug 23, 2004 22:18:49 GMT -6
Thanks cane, i'll gie it a try. What sort of emerger pattern would you suggest?
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Post by bigbore on Aug 25, 2004 23:47:49 GMT -6
Have yet to flyfish the red river, or any water for that mater other than the assinibione for flat head chubs. but, have caught many many many many many catfish on cut up Goldeye i met StevieB , fishinmusician, and cane last night on the red river as they were leaving. nice to put face to names. also saw Robert Burton on 2 accounts, once at Lockport, and once when he stalked me to the fishin' hole, jk i've been looking at replacing the stolen flyrods of mine sooner than later, as normally at this time of year, i only have a flyrod in my hand in Alberta. planning a few flyfishing trips into alberta to visit home real soon. Livingstone, Little Smoky, RDR just to name a few spots im gonna hit. Bigbore
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Post by stephenjay on Aug 26, 2004 10:41:55 GMT -6
Hey Mike; I have been called a lot of things over the years, but never stevieb. Glad to meet you last night as well! It is good to see someone using circle hooks. I think they should be required for all b**t fishing. I think I will probably start my nephews down that path next time I take them out. Get a fly rod already! If you are into ebay, this guy usually has some martin rods really well priced, and he is in Winnipeg as well. cgi6.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25&userid=fishing-tackle4u2He doesn't have anything listed now, but you could probably contact him via his ebay account. If really interested, I can send you his email address. Let me know.
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Robert Burton
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Post by Robert Burton on Aug 26, 2004 11:01:39 GMT -6
Ya get a fly rod already you've had enough time with (as some one else called it ...Dale I think) [glow=red,2,300]"The Devils Gear"[/glow]
That night I saw you at the Hole I was on my way to Lockport .........then the rain and lightning came so we changed course and hit the F-in' Hole. Ended up making that leap into the 90's and bought a DVD player.
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Post by bookemdano on Aug 30, 2004 7:11:32 GMT -6
Hi there.
Fished by the locks Saturday - one sauger. Lots of sauger being caught by the gear guys. Some MA cats being caught on shrimp as well.
I got yelled at by some woman and her boyfriend for standing on their line. I could barely hear them from where I was fishing. I guess she forgot to take into account they were casting halfway across the river.
Anyway, when I walked out of the water she asked me if that was me out there, and where was her apology for scaring all of "their" f@$&in' fish away. Nice gal. Real sweetheart.
Dan
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Post by fishinmusican on Aug 30, 2004 11:22:31 GMT -6
Well Dan I guess you could have asked her if you could see where on her fishing licence it says that the fish belong to her or that the River was her domain only and that maybe she should learn some manners herself but it would be all for naught . You could do what stu has done in the past and just cut the fishing line. Myself I'd probaly just walk away and forget that they exist.......KIM
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Post by darrellmyskiw on Aug 30, 2004 11:37:47 GMT -6
Myself I'd probaly just walk away and forget that they exist.......KIM Only after a good chuckle ... about them of course. Gotta agree they're annoying, maybe that, and part-in parcel of switching fish now is why I've stayed from Lockport ... dunno. But - the Assin still has the same critters as the Red - although not in size mind you..... and its quiet there too - well, sort of.
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Post by tholl on Aug 30, 2004 13:43:51 GMT -6
I was also there saturday, in a boat using a greabox...but i did see someone flyfishin aroudn the spillway there off the point and up real close to the locks on the fishladder side. -Tholl
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Post by RickL on Aug 30, 2004 21:03:18 GMT -6
Fished just off the end of the concrete retaining wall on the east side.Two guys with bobbers and worms drifted their bobbers trouhg the school and caught their limits for bait, then left. Nice chaps from S. Dakota. I was casting to rising goldeye in the same school and scored about a half dozen. .The worms definitely outperformed . Sorry guys... There were not very many people there until after 12 when I left. Ok, I stayed a few extra minutes to zing some significant backcasts to make a point to some young guys who stationed themselves right beside me. Just so there was an education for them... ;D Did not see any cats or carp being caught.
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Post by Dale Martens on Aug 31, 2004 0:26:54 GMT -6
I can't take credit... I think Aaron called it "the devil's gear" first!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2004 8:19:07 GMT -6
Red River: What now ?
Here it is, fall approaching and the flow still above normal, probably pretty turbid. What can a guy expect from a trip to the Red at this time of the year? In these conditions?
I've heard that early Sept. can still be great for cats. Would they be in the shallows or out in mid river? Thinking about giving it a try Saturday, but duck hunting has started and my son is dying for a fowl experience. Maybe if there is a promise of some big fish, I can lure him to Lockport....Tim
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2004 7:07:26 GMT -6
Water's Still up at Lockport:
Was out in the countryside Tuesday evening doing some hunting/dog training and happened to drive over Lockport at dusk. It was almost dark but there was still a big shoreline crowd fishing.
Water still appears to be high - the island was under water....TIM.
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Post by bookemdano on Sept 18, 2004 14:18:31 GMT -6
Fished from the locks all the way down and in to the spillway gates this morning 6:30am-12noon. Three fish on - none landed.
Gear fishing seemed slow as well, although sauger started to show up as the morning went on.
Dan
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2004 8:57:15 GMT -6
Tried Lockport Last Weekend: Headed out Saturday am (25th), hoping that there might be a cat or two around. Fished from 6:30 to 10:00 -- five saugers, no substantial hits.
Water level is about a foot up on the concrete wall, and the offshore reef is probably a 12-24" under. Other than the downstream point, could not wade out very far at all. Saw one cat caught by a guy fishing with worms. The jig crowd was doing considerably better than me, even though I know my clausers were dragging the bottom. Fished mainly just below the concrete wall, but also tried the sunken point further downstream (not a hit at the latter spot).
One interesting observation. Arrived about 45 mins. before sunrise and noticed that fish were feeding heavily along the shore downstream of the wall. Turned out the be saugers. Caught a couple right off the bat but, as it got lighter, the fish moved out.
Another: water is actually coming over the spillway at the floodway outlet and the downstream channel is quite the little river, with relatively clear water and nice little runs and pools. Saw the odd carp tailing in the pool below the spillway, but not enough to really fish to. Ran out of time, so I didn't fish the north side, which looked particularly inviting. Along the south shore, the current was actually too swift to effectively fish. Conditions like this in the end of September? What a country!....TIM
From the "It's-always-fun-to-watch" file: The picket-fence of anglers was well established on the wall by about 9:00 am and most folks were filing buckets and bags with saugers and the odd drum. I noticed one guy - a new Canadian - who didn't seem to be having any luck. Finally, he had a good fish on and proceeded to haul up a 20 - 24" walleye - the only one I saw caught all day. Everyone gathered around him but then stepped back in shock when he unhooked the prize and quickly pitched it back into the drink. If it hadn't been for the sound of the river, you could have heard a pin drop!
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