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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2006 20:23:25 GMT -6
Opening day I plan on heading down to Lockport area to try for some cats on the Fly. Im just wondering what are some good flies to use and what kind of line (floating, sinking etc. .)
Hope to meet some of you on the water this year.
Chris
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Post by Robert Burton on May 2, 2006 9:45:06 GMT -6
Hang in there Chris I will have something on the site for you (or you can get the next issue of The Fishin Line)
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2006 20:29:24 GMT -6
Thanks Robert. I look forward to it. My plan is to leave all the hardware gear at home so I wont have the option of using it.
chris
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Post by Jamesrog on May 3, 2006 7:26:53 GMT -6
Chris,
I am by no means a "master" of the Red as some of the others on this board are... but I have found that a Mickey Finn style of fly with large chain bead eyes is my most productive on the Red. I have caught large cats, drum and the occasional Carp with this fly.
I can post a pic of one when I get home tonight but here is the recipe:
Hook: Streamer 8-12, 3x long Thread: 6/0, Color of your choice Body: Pearl or Silver Mylar tubing Ribbing: Lead Wing: Bucktail (I like to use white and red with some silver flash) Eyes: Large Chain Beads (As big as you can find... the current on the Red really makes that fly move fast if it is too light)
A pretty simple fly and works really great. Use with full sink line to try and get to the bottom where the cats will scoop it up.
James.
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Post by darrellmyskiw on May 3, 2006 8:50:56 GMT -6
aawwwWWWW - COME ON ------- go with a 12+ ft leader and floating line ..... ok - maybe not - but still works (rarely on cats - but it does once in a while). RB - waitin on that issue ...
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Post by Dale Martens on May 3, 2006 10:55:40 GMT -6
I second what James and Darrell are saying.... Use whatever it takes to stay close fairly close to the bottom. A floating line with a heavy Clouser on the end of a long leader or an unweighted fly on a sinking line are both possibilities. There are many others on this board who have far more Red River experience than I but for a fly I'd pick out something fairly big and visible for the murky water.
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Post by Robert Burton on May 3, 2006 12:11:27 GMT -6
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Post by flyguy on May 3, 2006 14:04:13 GMT -6
yep, sinking line suggested by many, but every Cat I have caught in the Red has been on a floating line and a 4-6ft mono leader and a weighted fly.
I've beat my head agaist the wall trying to catch fish in the Red on a full sinking line, and to date i've only caught one drum on that line. As a matter of fact its the only fish i've caught on a full sinking line in any body of water. Perhaps my sinking line tecnique sucks.
The river is pretty shallow unless your right in the channel, which without a boat is'nt possible. I find that i'm get most of my strikes while letting the fly sit for a long time, and if I do that with the sinking line I get hung up every time and lose a fly on every second cast. Still get hung up withh the floating line on, so i'm getting to the bottom with that anyway.
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Post by darrellmyskiw on May 3, 2006 14:06:48 GMT -6
at least with the floating line - with hang-ups (rocks, etc.) at least there's a chance at getting the line in teh opposite direction that the snag is heading in - to safely recover the fly. Works most of the time ........ most
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Post by Robert Burton on May 3, 2006 14:14:21 GMT -6
I find that i'm get most of my strikes while letting the fly sit for a long time, and if I do that with the sinking line I get hung up every time and lose a fly on every second cast. You could try a floating or nuetral bouyancy fly on a short leader... fly line is on botton fly riding just above.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2006 15:05:59 GMT -6
Hey guys, thanks for all the info. I appreciate it and hopefully it will help me get some fish out of lockport this summer and hopefully I will meet some of you out on the water this year.
chris
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2006 7:28:24 GMT -6
Flyguy:
So you're getting most of your hits while your fly is sitting dead...I've never used that approach deliberately but one day while I had stopped to take a picture of my partner landing a fish, with my fly line out and my rod tucked under my arm, the rod was suddenly jerked away and I just managed not to lose it. I always assumed that cat was a fluke.
As per Robert's suggestion, I have tied some floating flies and hope to give them a workout this summer...TIM
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Post by flyguy on May 4, 2006 11:56:06 GMT -6
Well, sitting for say 10sec and then a very slow strip of say 12" in between. Fish will be on at start of strip, or shortly thereafter. I've been finding the quicker i strip in the Red the less I catch. Perhaps do to the low vis?
I have tried several floating flys with the sinking line, boobies, floating WB's, small poppers etc. Have'nt been sucessfull yet. Perhaps I'm not patient enough with the sinking line.
What length of leader is generally used on a full sink with a floating fly? Perhaps my fly is floating too far off the bottom. I've been using about1-3ft
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2006 14:45:34 GMT -6
Aren't you getting hung up alot doing that?
As for your sinking line/floating fly approach, it sounds like the length of leader you're using would keep it close to the bottom...go figure...TIM
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Post by flyguy on May 4, 2006 16:42:10 GMT -6
Hung up? ya quite a bit, but I can ussually get it off, whereas I just lose fly after fly with the full sink.
Ya, I assume that I am right on the bottom, I really would like to be succesfull with the full sink, esp in deeper lakes in the whiteshell and Ontario. But in several years i've only literally caught 1 fish on it.
bad luck or bad technique, or a combination of both.
I think maybe i'll take the whole summer off work to work on my full sink tecnique ;D
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Post by darrellmyskiw on May 5, 2006 7:47:07 GMT -6
With a weighted hook and sinking line - you'll be dragging everything along the bottom - through the rocks, debris, etc. Movement like a cray / leech - not many in the red - some maybe, not many.
But with the floating line, with the retrieve, your fly will rise a bit, move and then settle back down (move through an arc - sort of). Like a wounded baitfish - mmmms, food for kitty.
But as for cats / visability and the murky water ..... don't underestimate the cats lateral line.
as for sink line ... dunno, could guess to use a longer leader and floating (foam included) flies with a slower retrieve ...... but on the Red ..... with current ......... dunno - only guessing
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2006 7:52:02 GMT -6
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Post by Dale Martens on May 5, 2006 11:30:52 GMT -6
Even though I have sinking lines and like to use'em, I have to admit that my first choice on a river is a floating line and a weighted fly. The floating line helps me get better drifts. I can follow it along and mend it easier.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2006 15:52:30 GMT -6
Well, I am currently rigged with floating line so I guess im good to go than. I cant wait. Hopefully the high water will keep some of the bait fishers away/
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