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Post by silas on Oct 23, 2013 22:42:59 GMT -6
Disclaimer: I am a complete novice who has never fly fished before, but I am very keen to learn as this is the last piece I feel I am missing in my arsenal.
Uses: I will be using it to target Trout (Brook, Brown, Rainbow, Splake and Tiger) on lakes in Manitoba
After an exhausting amount of research and a lot of conflicting information I am directing this question to the community who has fished for these species in Manitoba where I will be spending the majority of my time.
What I am thinking about: - 5 or 6 weight - Single handle (although switch sounds interesting….) - 9’ - Cork handle - Graphite construction - 4 pieces (but I can’t find any info on what difference [disadvantages??] it might make for casting or feel ect…) - Fast action (even though I realize a medium action might be better for a novice)
What has been your experience regarding these factors considering the type of fishing I plan on doing as well as my skill level.
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Post by wellman on Oct 23, 2013 23:39:04 GMT -6
- 6wt-9Ft rod is all you need in Manitoba for trout. - Switch rods are pretty much pointless in Manitoba.
* Don't get a cheap fly line, having a good quality fly line makes a hugediffernece when learning how to fly cast. IMHO fly line is more important then the rod.
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Post by brucerap on Oct 24, 2013 5:50:54 GMT -6
Looks like you've done your homework.
You're spot on with your thinking. med-fast or fast action, 6 wt, 4 pce. As far as I can tell, there is no difference in feel or strength in a 4 pce rod and it sure does make traveling easier, particularly if you're flying with your gear. I also agree with Wellman - don't cheap out on a line. A lot of newer, fast action rods can be overlined ( by one weight size) to make it easier to feel the rod loading, which can make learning to cast quicker and easier.
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Post by free2fish on Oct 24, 2013 6:39:09 GMT -6
I'd also take into account where in Manitoba you're going to fish. In the Whiteshell a 5 wt would do in most cases but up in the Parklands there are guys who use nothing less than an 8 wt and more often a 9 or 10.
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Post by lurker1818 on Oct 24, 2013 8:06:02 GMT -6
I fish the Parklands often (wish I could get out more), and have never felt out of place on a 6 weight. I don't go down to the micro tipets, so horsing in the fish is really not a problem on straight 8 lb flouro leaders. Fight might be a bit longer, but I have always managed to revive the fish. I refuse to fish trout in the summer months because they will fight to the death and the heat really does get them.
Depending on what you are fishing out of could make a difference. I am in a kick tube, so pretty low to the water. My favorite rod for this is a 6wt 10'. That extra foot does make a difference in casting.
Agree, get the best line that you can. Almost gave up on fly tossing when I started with a combo unit. The line on that was cheap and super stiff. Could not cast no matter what. Even mid range line made a difference.
I am no pro, but I would stay away from the ends of the speed actions to start. I have casted everything from a super slow rod, like trying to throw with a wet noodle, hated it. Really fast action will get more distance on casts, but you don't have as much of a window in your timing, everything happens faster with a shorter time range to do things. I would try to stay more medium to learn to cast, more forgiving.
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Post by Robert Burton on Oct 24, 2013 10:54:22 GMT -6
Me:
Whiteshell Trout Hunt or River 2-4wt Lyons 4wt McHuge 6wt Parklands trout 6wt But have used my 8wt because I have better line selection.
Rod choice has as much to do with fly choice as fish size and sensitivity.
I am not sure about the fast action part particularly with you being new to it. A rod that flexes into the 4th section is a great fishing tool and an even better learning tool.
The whole concept of fast action, tip deflection and rod recovery were developed to help with distance casting (salt water) at the onset your last concern should be distance. Your main concerns should be 1.Loop and line control 2.Presentation 3.Accuracy 4.Stealth 5.Patience
The 4 vs 2 piece thing used to matter a 2 piece was better for casting now the there isn't
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Post by wellman on Oct 25, 2013 23:10:28 GMT -6
The whole idea of using a 8-10wt for trout in the parkland is just stupid. Not every fish you catch is going to be a 32"hog. Heck I'm using a 6wt right now fly fishing for 30"ish Lake trout.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 13:44:31 GMT -6
There is one common scenario in the Parklands that warrants an 8wt, and that's when you're trying to pull fish out of the pencil reeds. With the Browns on Patterson and the Tigers on Twin, if you hook one tight to the reeds, I find your only hope is to haul it out of there as fast as possible. If you give the fish even an inch, it'll wrap you around a reed and break off. If you get into a big fish in that situation, it's nice to have an 8wt.
But in general... 6wt is fine.
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Post by Robert Burton on Oct 28, 2013 11:17:55 GMT -6
The whole idea of using a 8-10wt for trout in the parkland is just stupid. Not every fish you catch is going to be a 32"hog. Heck I'm using a 6wt right now fly fishing for 30"ish Lake trout. The other thing that gets forgotten is the core of fly lines at the 4-6wt level is 40lb test
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Post by brucerap on Oct 28, 2013 11:24:48 GMT -6
I've always been told it's closer to the 17-20 lb range. Curious...
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Post by sedgehammer on Oct 29, 2013 8:12:50 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with a 9 foot 6 wt.
I do prefer a 10 foot rod when fishing from a float tube. When the wind starts blowing and you're sitting closer to the water it really helps punch out casts with less effort.
Just my preference. And if you are not in a tube maybe don't even consider this opinion.
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Post by kkansas on Oct 29, 2013 10:19:07 GMT -6
speaking of the Parklands, please head to this link; aaetechservices.ca/aae-survey.htmlif you haven't already it is an effort to assess angler utilization of some of the aerated lakes in the Parkland by the RM of Rossburn
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Post by Robert Burton on Oct 29, 2013 10:46:40 GMT -6
I've always been told it's closer to the 17-20 lb range. Curious... There is no standard but basically 2-6wts are 20lb at 8 wt it goes to 30lb and around 15wt it goes to 40lb Here are Rios Charts They are the only ones with this number avaiable but little in the 15lb range and lots in the 25-30 range. There is even talk of some salt lines with a 75lb core
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Post by sedgehammer on Oct 29, 2013 22:06:33 GMT -6
speaking of the Parklands, please head to this link; aaetechservices.ca/aae-survey.htmlif you haven't already it is an effort to assess angler utilization of some of the aerated lakes in the Parkland by the RM of Rossburn Thanks Ken. I made a topic for this a while ago asking for the link. I will copy this to that thread as well. Survey Thread
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Post by Dale Martens on Nov 24, 2013 14:06:05 GMT -6
I think you're on the right track with the 6 weight rod. For the line, I'd be tempted to get a slow sinking line, like an intermediate or an type II.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 13:47:16 GMT -6
We were all where you are now in asking advise for what type of rod to purchase. After a number of years I don't think there is one answer that covers all situations. I fish using a float tube. Casting from a sitting position is much different that in a standing position be it while wading or standing in a boat or for that matter while standing on shore. For me the length of the rod was one of the more important factors that went into my decision. I have rods ranging up to 10 feet and can work comfortably with these. The flex or action is a personal thing. If you have one rod it will react differently to your using a floating line versus when you use a more weighted lines like an intermediate other faster sinking lines as these are heavier and flex the rod more than a floating line would normally load the rod. There is a wide range of rods out there and the more you read about them I found the more confused one might get. I fish with three basic lines and have a rod for my floating lines and stronger more stiffer rods for throwing my weighted lines. Rods weights I know being used vary from a 5 to and 8 wt - the lighter you go the more you will feel the fight while the stronger you go you will feel the fight less but should be able to get them out of the water a bit faster which maybe of some importance when the water temps are higher. I personally use a 6 wt for most of my fishing. I would consider that you carry a basic floating-intermediate-sinking line. The fish will react to your presentation and what you are offering and not what you are casting with.
Good luck
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Post by silas on Dec 25, 2013 14:36:11 GMT -6
Just wanted to thank everyone for their help. I just got my first fly rod and reel this Xmas as a gift from my sister and my gf. A Cabelas Prestige Complete Fly Fishing Outfit 865-2: www.cabelas.ca/product/21579/cabelas-prestige-fly-fishing-outfitsAfter all the reading I feel it should work just fine as my first set (the 4 pc will come later )and it even has the Scientific Angler Headstart fly line! Thanks again!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 10:51:09 GMT -6
Congrats on your Christmas rod. Spring can't come to soon.
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Post by lockport1850 on Jan 4, 2014 16:15:49 GMT -6
Just wanted to thank everyone for their help. I just got my first fly rod and reel this Xmas as a gift from my sister and my gf. A Cabelas Prestige Complete Fly Fishing Outfit 865-2: www.cabelas.ca/product/21579/cabelas-prestige-fly-fishing-outfitsAfter all the reading I feel it should work just fine as my first set (the 4 pc will come later )and it even has the Scientific Angler Headstart fly line! Thanks again! That rod is just fine for a firstie. See you on the water!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 12:08:44 GMT -6
The latest edition of the New Fly Fisher online magazine proves once again there is no right answer as it pertains to rod selection. The article on Stillwater fishing in Britian says to use a fast rod to get the fly as far away from you as possible and the elasticity of the line should be sufficient to keep the big ones on the hook. So pick a rod between slow and fast and you should be ok...lol.
In fly fishing everything seems to be an opinion except that fish are normally found in water.
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