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Post by rockbass09 on Apr 27, 2017 9:45:36 GMT -6
This was posted on MFF a couple hours ago regarding the albino trout that they've been raising...
Hello everybody,
I wanted the angling community to know about the albino Rainbow Trout that are expected to be stocked in various waters in the next few weeks.
These fish will be approximately 18cm long at the time of stocking and are scheduled to be stocked in the following waters:
West - Antons, Bower, Corstophine, Elgin, Patterson, Tees, East Blue, Black Beaver.
East - Camp, Lac du Bonnet Pond, Lyons, McHugh.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact your regional fisheries staff.
Derek
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Post by brucerap on Apr 27, 2017 15:10:48 GMT -6
Damn, wish they would make that little sinkhole catch-and-release ONLY.
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Post by mike on Apr 27, 2017 20:06:15 GMT -6
It would be interesting to hear the logic behind this stocking. If it were for novelty, I could understand putting them in one lake, maybe two, but not 12. Given that survival is likely to be considerably lower than naturally-pigmented fish, I wouldn't expect too many will recruit to the fishery.
All around, just plain...curious...!
Mike
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Post by lurker1818 on Apr 28, 2017 6:01:47 GMT -6
Like I said in my other post about this, interesting to put them somewhere, but not into these lakes that I already think are at the maximum fishers per day, ie Patterson, LDB ponds, etc. Now they have these curiosity fish in there, and most of these lakes are drive right into, I believe the pressure is going to be even greater, creating more pressure on what is already there. Even if all of these lakes did go to 100% C+R, the mortality rate on these because of the deep hooked, fight to the death, white pailers, etc is going to go up. For a curiosity fish, I wish they would have dumped them into lakes that take an effort to get to for those that are willing to put the work into fishing for them, at least give the poor things a chance.
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Post by Robert Burton on Apr 28, 2017 9:24:04 GMT -6
Did you check the date of the post? Maybe it was from April 1st. Sounds way too effing stupid to be true.
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Post by rockbass09 on Apr 28, 2017 9:42:14 GMT -6
No Rob, it's from yesterday...I checked Either way I just don't like it. Lurker1818 posted some very good points. Stock them somewhere out of reach where you have to get to them and when I say that not into trophy big trout waters. These 7" albinos are just going to be snacks for the big browns in McHugh really. Just a bright little target in the water...hmm maybe I'll tie some bright rainbow imitations streamers...
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Post by Robert Burton on Apr 28, 2017 9:50:20 GMT -6
Well I do not know who that Derek person (from MFF) is but, everyone google 'Albino trout Stocking' and you'll find there is really no such thing. And one of the only things that show up is Derek's Post on the MFF So it is either: more forum games miss information mistaking golden trout (actual trout species) for albino (see also pickerel and silver bass) or the dumbest move in the history of the hatcheries
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Post by petroh on Apr 28, 2017 10:37:13 GMT -6
Found some information yesterday about it here. Looks like they will be stocking the LDB pond with tigers, rainbows, browns and the albino's on May 1st. I can't imagine that the population will last to long tho before it plummets down again with the attraction the fish will bring, especially since it's being stocked before the season open so there's a limited amount of lakes to fish and unfortunately most will go to that small pond which really needs a catch and release policy. pic of the albino they're stocking
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Post by rockbass09 on Apr 28, 2017 12:03:46 GMT -6
1) Yes, it is kind of odd when you look up albino trout stocking it's only the MFF thread that pops up...hmmm 2) I wonder if they'll stock some more nice big browns in the ponds. Maybe some decent size tigers? 3) And I absolutely agree about the catch and release policy, or some 1 fish within a specific size regulation. Or...fly fishing only? oh I wish...
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Post by lurker1818 on Apr 28, 2017 13:59:33 GMT -6
Also, Derek mentions in a post from another board that they are getting these albino's from the US as fertilized eggs and raising them from there in the Whiteshell hatchery. Apparently you can get these from Manitoba Rainbow Trout Association in a group order they are putting together from the US (also a Derek post from the other board).
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Post by Robert Burton on Apr 28, 2017 14:14:25 GMT -6
WTF are they smokin' over there in the big house?
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Post by brucerap on Apr 29, 2017 5:21:39 GMT -6
Paging Mr. Kansas....
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Post by kkansas on May 2, 2017 8:04:11 GMT -6
yes...? what seems to be the problem here ? these trout are simply rainbow trout with a genetic tweek causing the 'albino' look... they are TLAF3N Rainbow trout (Trout Lodge = the source, AF = all females, 3N = triploid) they were a 'free' batch of fertilized eggs from Trout Lodge the original strain is of the Kamloops variety, with the 'in house' nick name of 'the jumpers' these are a slightly different strain than the regular looking TLAF3N rainbows that Fisheries Branch has been stocking since about 2009... since that time the Whiteshell hatchery has eliminated their rainbow brood stock program and switched to fertilized eggs since it is overall cheaper and takes way less time due to the extended spawning period our brood stock exhibited which can be typical in a hatchery setting... the only thing I personally do not like about this (totally selfish) is their are no males to catch... I may not agree with all the locations each region has chosen for this batch of rainbows,, but I have no problem with the overall idea... my opinions would rather seek locations that you could actually assess the strain in question post stocking... for example, Patterson Lake will be receiving a couple thousand to assess growth...seems the stockings of the TLAF3N rainbows in Patterson has not yielded the consistent large fish over 23-24 inches like our brood stock showed...so in Patterson Lakes case I chose for a good reason...same with Corstophine and Tees Lake...however since they are spreading these around so much and spreading them out, i'm afraid they will dilute the effort of assessment since there are so few of them on average... I have found a source for fertilized rainbow eggs with mixed sex (males and females), so I hope they will be tested one day... I've thought about the possibility of higher natural predation with aerial attacks, but I have personally seen these fish and they are way lighter on the sides than on the dorsal area..i guess only time will tell as we will see how their look 'changes' over time within their new habitats... increased angling pressure is a possibility, some lakes can take it, some not so much...stocking rates are generally high enough, coupled with right regulations and things should be fines... more detrimental is the increasing number of perch and pike 'showing up' in our trout waters... as far as LDB ponds, now worries there, when I developed that pond it was with the realization of high pressure therefore higher stocking rates (which means nothing without subsequent assessment follow up), also as a tool to teach youngsters and adults alike on the pleasures of fishing and proper fish handling education... as far as 'way too effing stupid to be true' and 'dumbest move in the history of the hatcheries' well, we all have our opinions don't we... but as far as the Parklands go, we plan on assessing this strain of its long term value towards our Stillwater paradise...
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Post by Robert Burton on May 2, 2017 10:25:49 GMT -6
LOL Right on schedule...everybody's wrong.
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Post by kkansas on May 2, 2017 11:26:10 GMT -6
not so much wrong as ill-and-misinformed... wasn't singling you out RB, I just picked a couple of the negative comments as I saw them... its funny, how even though retired from my old job, I still have to supply some much need info when it comes to what I use to do for a living on 'behalf of my ex-colleagues...
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Post by lurker1818 on May 2, 2017 11:34:10 GMT -6
KK, we appreciate that you do. As been said here, some of the things said (mostly on other boards) you have to as if it is real or not. A small suggestion that something is happening, and then total silence. Like creating interest and leaving the people hanging on for more. Personally, I like your full explanation, reasons, outcomes,etc. Weather I agree or not is up to me to decide.
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Post by kkansas on May 2, 2017 12:07:35 GMT -6
you bet Lurker out of curiosity, what were the other boards ? and FYI to ya'll, I completed a 'state ' of the Parklands lakes synopsis and this will be posted on the Parkland Trout FB page; www.facebook.com/Parkland-Trout-Fisheries-579919445524615/?fref=tsbasically a mini history with some of the population assessment summaries, future monitoring plans, stocking, and challenges facing FLIPPR developed lakes (Patterson, Pybus, Corstophine, Twin, Persse and Tees) along with 4 other Parkland FLIPPR related lakes (Tokaryk, Spear, East and West Goose) i'm not sure if its up yet, was gonna get them to release a couple lakes at a time over a week or so...
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Post by kkansas on May 2, 2017 12:21:51 GMT -6
just one more thing, for sheets and giggles google Lightening trout
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Post by brianrap on May 2, 2017 18:02:42 GMT -6
Wouldn't be at all surprised if the cormorants, loons etc. have a field day with those albinos. Was at ldb yesterday when they did the stocking and those things are HIGHLY visible in the water. Perhaps if they do get darker it will help some but right now they are very easily seen. Found it interesting that the newly stocked rainbows and tigers were pretty easy to catch (got at least a dozen and many other hits even though I was targeting the bigger browns and tigers), but not a single albino, even though they were all over the place. Had a bunch of follows/lookers but not a single take. There were a few other folks out there and it was the same for them too.
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Post by rockbass09 on May 2, 2017 21:01:28 GMT -6
Did they stock any big browns?
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Post by kkansas on May 3, 2017 19:11:34 GMT -6
to the best of my knowledge RB, there was no surplus brood stock browns available this spring
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Post by free2fish on May 4, 2017 18:53:38 GMT -6
I fished the Guadalupe in Texas for a bit and they planted palamino trout, very similar to the albinos. Many didn't last a day, they became food for the nesting ospreys. Different situation though, a clear, relatively shallow river.
Harry
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Post by brianrap on May 4, 2017 19:23:02 GMT -6
Was at ldb today and there were a few loons out there that seemed quite content. I'm guessing 1,500 new fingerlings might have something to do with that. They didn't dive, swim or fly away when I floated close by them.
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Post by petroh on May 4, 2017 21:31:42 GMT -6
I was out there today to, saw tons of the newly stocked fish swimming around in schools near shore and rising everywhere. Had a couple hits and only landed 1 large brown. Also saw a couple of the albino's and they really stand out in that water especially since most of them were swimming around shallow.
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Post by kkansas on May 5, 2017 7:37:38 GMT -6
great reports keep em coming
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Post by nelepl on May 8, 2017 7:47:09 GMT -6
Been at LDP on saturday early morning. Fished for an hour cause I got called in to work. Anyway no fish caught but I've seen one albino trout. It looked like somebody trew a light bulb in the water. It was very windy, almost impossible to cast. Few other fisherman but nobody caught anything during the time I was there. Wish I could've stayed longer.
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Post by Robert Burton on May 9, 2017 11:10:20 GMT -6
"Looks like someone threw a light bulb in the water"
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Post by sedgehammer on May 18, 2017 13:20:46 GMT -6
These things are like neon lights in the water. Was at McHugh back at the beginning of May and I found two schools swimming 5 feet down. So easy to spot, even in the float tube. I'm sure the 4 loons on McHugh were enjoying the easy targets.
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Post by nelepl on May 19, 2017 8:18:32 GMT -6
I got laughed at for saying same thing in the post above.
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Post by kkansas on May 19, 2017 9:00:59 GMT -6
in an earlier post in this thread I said there would be a Parkland Lake update posted on the Parkland Trout Facebook Page...turns out this will only be a link to the same on the FLIPPR web page...as far as I know this has not happened as of yet...sorry for the mix up to anyone who might have had a peak
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